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I've had a suspicion for a while that there are simply not enough active users (or users with enough rep) on Fitness.SE to pass a community close vote.

It looks like I might be correct. Shog9's previous post shows the statistic:

                 Action                  Moderators Community¹
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Questions closed                                261          5

Obviously we can't compare Fitness.SE to Stack Overflow but the percentage is quite different:

                  Action                  Moderators Community¹
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Questions closed                              33,862    306,210

Personally, I have voted to close questions before. Questions that were so blatantly off-topic that I didn't have to think twice. They've hung up around 3 or 4 close votes before a mod either gives the 5th vote or closes it at 4.

Would it be worthwhile to reduce the required number of close votes on Fitness?

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  • The threshold can be set on a per site basis, at 5, 3 or 1. I don't think 1 would be useful, I've added two options to vote on, keep it at 5 or change to 3. Please vote for your options, and if the community wants 3, I'll ping the team in charge for the change. Note - This also changes the reopen vote limit to 3.
    – JohnP Mod
    Jan 8, 2020 at 14:14
  • I have requested of the PTB to have the threshold lowered to 3.
    – JohnP Mod
    Jan 27, 2020 at 20:45
  • You may have seen that we conducted a test on 13 network sites — please stay tuned for the results of that step and next steps on this.
    – JNat StaffMod
    Jul 9, 2021 at 10:40
  • @JNat -- neat! Looking forward to it.
    – C. Lange Mod
    Jul 9, 2021 at 13:20

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This is now live!

Thanks so much for your patience here while we got things worked out on our end. I've reviewed your history with closure on two points and find that it does look like this would be a good change to make here.

The first thing I look at is the percentage of questions that get a first close flag or vote that get handled. Here, that's not bad -

Graph showing the percentage of questions that have a flag or vote to close that end up getting closed from August 2019 until March 2022. While it occasionally dips down below 70%, it's generally in the 80-90% range overall

So, this looks generally good. While there's definitely some months where things are a bit more rough, in general, we're looking at decent percentages - not perfect, of course, but not bad... so now we turn to the second graph - how many questions per month were handled by moderators versus community members, both closes and reopens.

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When I see this, the high percentage kinda makes sense - if you're not clear on what this shows, it's indicating that the mods are doing the bulk of the closures here. The purple line is the questions closed per month and the yellow line just below it (and sometimes obscured by it) is the ones that the moderators did the closure for, in the end. It doesn't mean community members weren't participating at all, just that a mod had to cast a vote to close.

While we definitely don't want mods doing all the work as it creates a potentially asymmetric close/reopen process where it's much easier to close than reopen - unless mods are also watching reopens - we also understand that, on smaller sites, this may not be particularly taxing. While the mods are doing a lot of the lifting, the questions closed per month is generally less than one per day, meaning that it's not onerous.

That being said, the community should still be able to handle this without moderator involvement. One of my hopes when I make these changes is that community members will feel more empowered to participate. When five votes were needed, it can feel impossible that you'll ever get enough votes without a mod stepping in. When only three or needed, hopefully that's less of a concern.

Because we ran the big test on many sites that JNat linked to in the comments, we feel pretty secure that this is a safe change to make, so I won't be monitoring it closely. If you have any concerns down the line, please let me know but, for the most part, y'all can consider this change permanent. I'll likely check the numbers in a few months to ensure nothing looks problematic but I won't post an update unless there's something particularly worth mentioning.

If you have any questions, please let me know!

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Change to 3

Yes, I think the threshold should be lowered to 3 votes to close.

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    I agree with C. Lange on this. We have a small, but good community. I tend to agree with their close votes anyway.
    – Alec Mod
    Jan 8, 2020 at 16:52
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    The irony of this sitting at 4 votes...
    – Dark Hippo
    Jan 22, 2020 at 15:52
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    Note: at the time of change this was at +9, -0.
    – C. Lange Mod
    Apr 22 at 15:36
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No Change

Keep the close threshold at 5 votes.

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  • Note: at the time of change this was at +0, -0.
    – C. Lange Mod
    Apr 22 at 15:36

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